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Delta I SSBN Launch Ceremony / Rubin Sub Designers
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2020-09-18T13:08:00+00:00
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Rare video footage of a Delta SSBN launching to the pier for trials. The second half of the video shows a lot of the engineers who designed her.

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September 2020 Dept. Heads and Div. O's
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2020-09-14T13:04:16+00:00
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Thank you September 2020 Department Heads and Division Officers!


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Research Begins on Delta II SSBN Sub Brief
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2020-09-14T12:29:14+00:00
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Good morning, today begins my research into the next version of the Delta family: Delta II. Over the next week you can expect some research notes, interesting events I come across, detailed line drawings and more.


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User #10692902 - 14 Sep 20 14:09
I'm sure glad I found your Patreon page! Your info is fascinating--I was Navy back in the 1980's.
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User #4130809 - 14 Sep 20 16:44
I'm curious if the top of missile tube shroud being so high and in line with the sail planes in any way interfered with the working of the planes.
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User #24524713 - 15 Sep 20 00:25
Like effectiveness on the water? No. Because they are behind it. Well, actually, I should say I doubt it. They would have to be extremely close, and even then it depends. Now if they were in front, then Yes. Once the water coming from the front of the sub (cause were assuming the sub is moving forward) the first thing the water inline with the fairwater(sail) planes hit is the fairwater planes. Thus the planes interact with the water and create the reacting force on the sub. And that's it, once that is done, and as long as the water has a uninterrupted path off the planes, the job is done. Now once the water flowing off the planes is off of them, what it hits next can create drag, noise, vibrations in the sub (more noise and maybe breaking things). But you will be able to control the sub no problem. The only time it could be a problem is if the object is so very close behind it that the water interaction with he missile deck might raise or lower the pressure enough (or other fluid dynamic properties that I can't talk about cause I don't know enough about) might apply and cause lack of effectiveness by the fair water planes. Remember that air behaves like a fluid. Airplanes can experience similar problems. Look up compressability problems with fighters from ww2, and you can get an idea of the forces at play. Almost always though, this is from obstructions in front of a control surface, not behind.
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User #24524713 - 15 Sep 20 00:12
Yeehaw!
RSM-40; SS-N-8 Sawfly; R-29D Ballistic Missile
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2020-09-02T17:52:07+00:00
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Delta I Sub Brief update: "It is written." -Moses, I am in the fact-check phase which can take a while because my second/third sources don't always get back right away. Some polishing and inserting some awesome photos from Saturnax is in progress. Should be released 'soon' (tm).


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Temporary Reactor Vessel Storage in Russia
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2020-09-01T17:01:11+00:00
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In every nuclear submarine lecture, I talk about reactor disposal in temporary and long term storage. This is what that looks like.


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User #40405202 - 1 Sep 20 20:05
Robert, I wondered the same. The obvious thought is some kind of fire appliance but it sure doesn't look like any fire engine I've ever seen. Second though it was maybe some kind of tug for moving the containers around on the tracks we can see. I'm curious to know if anyone knows what it actually is.
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User #28820748 - 1 Sep 20 20:59
https://goo.gl/maps/ExSszZcpXJP94akY8 - Google Maps link to Sadya-Guba in Murmansk Oblast where one of these storage facilities is located.. there's loads of them there. I think there is at least another one somewhere else, Kamchatka?
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User #12648287 - 2 Sep 20 16:34
The US equivalent storage is here https://goo.gl/maps/LPZCnAhfnFCQLJtW6 and the identity of some compartments are shown here http://navsource.org/archives/08/100/0857524.jpg
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User #4882884 - 1 Sep 20 18:37
Does anybody know what that red vehicle is? Looks pretty cool to me. I'd like to know more about it. Appears each wheel can pivot right on its centerline.
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User #42087488 - 12 Sep 20 18:54
Maybe the bow and stern are welded together so that the non-reactor parts of the boat can float and be towed around or tied up to a pier until they can be scrapped?
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User #13239328 - 1 Sep 20 21:40
When I was aboard the USS Nimitz and Berthed at PSNS Bremerton, I could watch the de-commissioning process of submarines in a dry dock next to our ship. The boat was sectioned into three pieces, the reactor compartment was offset from the remaining Bow and Stern sections for a period of time. The reactor compartment was then removed from the dry dock and placed on a barge and secured. The remaining Bow and Stern Sections were then moved together and welded to create a foreshortened boat. Eventually the reactor compartment was towed off from the shipyard and the boat was tied up with a number of similar boats on a pier.
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User #38028 - 1 Sep 20 17:29
Fascinating stuff, but then I think civilian reactor rods are stored in a similair matter. I just cannot get rid of the thought that these might start rusting due to neglect.
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User #2876459 - 1 Sep 20 20:13
To me, it looks like the red vehicle is a mobile power source for the blue sled, see the arm for managing the large cables/hoses going to the sled? Either electric/hydraulic. That's my guess.
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User #40405202 - 2 Sep 20 20:00
Thats interesting, I wonder why they didn't dispose of the bow and stern as scrap?
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User #26855831 - 6 Sep 20 13:55
Usually non nuclear remains are scrapped, at least in the US Ship/Submarine Recycling Program (SRP)
Delta I SSBN Data Sheets
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2020-08-30T15:41:25+00:00
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Here are your Delta I data sets. You will get more out of the Sub Brief if you familiarize yourself with this first. Enjoy!

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User #4130809 - 31 Aug 20 01:29
Will you be going into why only twelve missiles?
September Begins the Delta SSBN Series
September Begins the Delta SSBN Seriesmore_vert
2020-08-30T12:42:22+00:00
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I am excited to carry on the Russian SSBN story. The Delta SSBN is the next generation of the very popular Yankee SSBN. Over the next 8 to 10 weeks, we will be diving into the very capable Delta Project 667B and all its variants. Like the Yankee, the Delta continues to show versatility, capability, and much-improved reliability.

The Delta series will include almost 100 individual submarines, their deployments, causalities, and success in great detail. I have access to the ship's logs and crewmember testimony. There are so many interesting stories, experiences, and facts coming, I hope you enjoy these briefs as much as I enjoy creating them.


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User #29077410 - 2 Sep 20 20:34
Hey I love your sub briefs and I noticed you gave credit to Vepr157, he's such a knowledgeable guy. If you can find him, there is another guy I know called Artjohm from way back, I recently bumped into him again on reddit. That man is walking Soviet military encyclopedia I highly recommend you chat with him if you ever get the opportunity
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User #4344675 - 30 Aug 20 13:26
I was really waiting for delta series.
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User #3600251 - 31 Aug 20 11:30
Did the USSR consider the Delta and Yankee to be variants of the same class?
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jivturky - 31 Aug 20 13:30
Yankee SSBN is Project 667A, Delta I is Project 667B. Not same class, but a continuation of the Project.
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User #31060382 - 30 Aug 20 12:50
Mamselwap ! :3
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User #28820748 - 31 Aug 20 08:21
This is going to be awesome - looking forward to it. I think the multi-episode/series approach really works too, you manage to get into some incredible detail.
The lost Sierra Sub Brief
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2020-08-26T14:31:03+00:00
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Not all the Sub Briefs are on Patreon (maybe I should fix that). The original Sub Briefs were YouTube videos and can still be found on my YouTube channel under the "Sub Brief" playlist.

Keep in mind, these older Sub Briefs are much shorter and I was not as good a researcher/presenter as I am now. But, if you have watched all the Sub Briefs here on Patreon, you should know there are even more on my YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF9K78gj2FP0hID8jeOp_wr5Gntvn3W7R

Borei SSGN and Kilo are excellent submarines. I hope you enjoy this new found content from the YT archives!


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User #7930963 - 26 Aug 20 14:33
Of course! YouTube. I really should have checked back there when I couldn't find it here. I'm such a dumbass. xD
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User #5273114 - 30 Aug 20 16:23
Generally, how much space is between the outer and pressure hulls?
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jivturky - 30 Aug 20 16:36
That varies widely depending on the part of the hull. From a cm to a full meter or more on ballistic boats.
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User #5273114 - 30 Aug 20 16:37
Thanks!
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User #4130809 - 26 Aug 20 22:36
Yes, do fix that.
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User #4130809 - 26 Aug 20 22:55
A remote-control galley? Ha ha! A russian robot submarine chef.
Frequency Analysis in Sonar
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2020-08-25T15:59:57+00:00
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This was video was requested by a fellow Patron. This had been a members only video on youtube because a small math error I made at the end. I correct that error with on screen information and made it public to everyone.


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These are the real-world sonar methods for conducting submarine warfare. Sonar is the primary tool in Submarine Warfare. As in movies like Hunt for Red October and Crimson Tide, we need some basic information about the target before we destroy it. Classification is key for ensuring the proper use of deadly force. Then we use sonar techniques to calculate the general direction of motion, range, and target speed. *note* This is a corrected video of one I produced in early 2020. I kept it private because of a small math error in the end. I fixed the error with on-screen graphics. Enjoy, How to Hunt with Sonar. Patreon members get Sub Brief videos, Rare Submarine photos, and Analysis not available anywhere else. Patreon ► https://www.patreon.com/subbrief The WarZone ► https://www.thedrive.com/author/aaron-amick Instagram ► https://www.instagram.com/subbrief/ Facebook ► https://www.facebook.com/Sub-Brief-100400978417964 Reddit ► https://www.reddit.com/r/SubBrief/ Twitter ► https://twitter.com/SubBrief Aaron's Audiobooks ►https://www.audible.com/search?keywords=uss+nautilus Altfeed.org ► https://altfeed.org/members/aaron/ Contact Aaron ► Business related inquiry: SubBrief@outlook.com Music Courtesy of: Luke Steele: https://soundcloud.com/lukeysteele1-1 Evan King: https://evanking.bandcamp.com/ Aaron's PC Spec ------------------------ CPU: Intel i9-9900k @4.7 GHz RAM: 32GB GPU: NVIDIA TITAN RTX 24GB GDDR6 Intel Optane 32Gb/10Tb HD

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User #2971809 - 28 Aug 20 02:00
There's no classified information in this, right? :)
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User #8582403 - 25 Aug 20 20:49
Dude you frighten me. TY for that detail. Well done. I can't tell you how many times I've done this...really, I can't...
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User #13239328 - 25 Aug 20 20:59
Patrol Squadron Eleven (VP-11) Was awarded the East Coast Patrol Squadron "Battle E" in 1982 for the ASW work that we did while deployed to Keflavic Iceland. I was aboard a few flights and was amazed how will the Combat Air Crews performed while hunting subs...
Thank You Division Officers! August 2020
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2020-08-17T12:29:48+00:00
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I appreciate everyone who supports the Sub Brief project. Let me take a moment and thank the top tier supports of the channel. You give me the free time time it takes to do the research for these videos. Sub Brief is my full time job and you make it possible. Thank you.


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User #7660869 - 17 Aug 20 13:17
Keep em coming Cap.
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User #24524713 - 18 Aug 20 04:10
Woohoo!
Oberon SSK Cold War stories
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2020-08-17T09:50:43+00:00
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The Oberon SSK Sub Brief second half is nearing completion. All the technical data is checked accurate and the photos (thanks Saturnax and others) are placed. I am working on digging up some cold war stories for the Brief to make it a little more interesting. Should be up by Friday of this week.


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User #37034306 - 17 Aug 20 15:43
Already excited :D
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User #24524713 - 18 Aug 20 04:09
Sweet!
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User #40405202 - 17 Aug 20 10:03
The Australian Oberons did some interesting work: http://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2013/12/australian-oberon-submarine.html?m=1
So I heard you like Cold War Submarines: Oberon update
So I heard you like Cold War Submarines: Oberon updatemore_vert
2020-08-04T12:56:55+00:00
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Every day the Oberon SSK Sub Brief grows. Some of you have shared photos and stories of your family member's service. That is really exciting for me to hear your personal stories.

Because we are dealing with 27 Cold War submarines in the brief, I am going to make it in 2 parts that will come out this month. First will be the 13 Royal Navy Oberon subs and all their exploits. That should be out by Friday, August 7th.

Afterward, I will turn my attention to the 4 countries that operated the other 12, and that will be out by the end of the month.

There is still time to add your photos or experiences to the Sub Brief. Message me on Twitter @jivturky is the best way as I always check those messages. You can also email me at hirejive@gmail.com which is my business email and your satisfaction is my business. :-)

You can even just say 'hi' if you want.

OK, I am getting back to work,

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User #24524713 - 5 Aug 20 19:03
Sounds like a plan! This just dawned on me, the Oberon's and the US Guppy Conversion's remind me a lot of each other in the way they look. I wonder if there is some influence there?
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User #4130809 - 4 Aug 20 23:31
Jive: For the second part I would do a brief re-cap of the history of the class instead of just jumping into the service histories of the foreign Oberons for continuity's sake. Also make sure to proof-listen to your narration to avoid detail errors. Do the narration in chunks if necessary to help with editing.
Oberon SSK Unit List
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2020-08-03T11:11:59+00:00
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Here are all the Oberons submarines built. This info will be included in the Sub Brief, but I wont be spending 10 minutes reading it in the video. This is for your reference. The scale of this brief is much larger than I anticipated, so it will be a little while before it's done. I'll be posting updates and photos here until it's finished. Thanks for being patient.


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User #157074 - 3 Aug 20 11:15
HMAS Orion was decommissioned on 04 Oct 1996
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User #10807582 - 3 Aug 20 21:35
I’m not sure if you’ve finished your research already, but I’ve started listening to the Australian naval history podcast, and they have a great three part series on the Oberon. This is the link to part 1: https://www.unsw.adfa.edu.au/podcasts/podcast/oberon-class-submarines-ran-service-their-origin-and-early-years
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User #23389442 - 4 Aug 20 12:18
fantastic 3 part podcast, thanks for sharing!
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User #39977470 - 3 Aug 20 14:48
I remember seeing the Canadian ones moored together across the harbour in Halifax in the early 00's waiting for their fate. One was used as a stand in for a soviet sub at the end of K-19 I'm pretty sure. Might need a fact check on that though.
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User #24524713 - 3 Aug 20 19:20
A big Yankee and now a big Oberon brief? lol :D Take your time Jive! I am still digesting the Yankee info :D
Detailed drawing of Oberon SSK torpedo tubes
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This is the most specific torpedo tube drawing I have seen outside the Navy. The Oberon SSK uses 2500 air to eject weapons from the forward tubes.

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User #24524713 - 2 Aug 20 20:50
Oh Sweet! I love things like this! Look at all the valves for isolating in case of emergency!
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User #42682221 - 21 Sep 20 12:49
I also love these detailed drawings of individual systems!
Oberon SSK Sub Brief Research is underway
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I am working my way through the history of the O-class boats. Built in 4 different shipyards and deployed from 5 different countries. It's story is as intricate as it is interesting.


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User #23339470 - 2 Aug 20 07:30
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/cold-war-exploits-of-australias-secret-submarines/news-story/2b5a9a088125b1873777ec8cc60cd79b
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User #23339470 - 2 Aug 20 07:30
worth a quick read
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jivturky - 3 Aug 20 16:22
It's locked behind a pay wall for me. Can you copy paste the story text to me?
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User #23339470 - 4 Aug 20 13:55
ON February 20, 1986, six senior naval officers came to the cabinet room in Canberra to brief prime minister Bob Hawke on Australia's secret Cold War submarine operations in Asia. Defence minister Kim Beazley had invited them to explain to Hawke what the navy's ageing Oberon-class submarines were capable of, and what they'd achieved on dangerous, clandestine missions to Vietnam and China. Beazley wanted to lock in Hawke's support for the costly and contentious plan to build six Collins-class subs in Australia. The large and genial defence minister understood the strategic value of submarines as offensive and defensive weapons. When Hawke arrived, he looked like thunder and his crabbed body language signalled he wanted to be anywhere but hearing a presentation from the navy. That was soon to change. Commander Kim Pitt began explaining he had been on patrol in HMAS Orion in the South China Sea from September 17 until November 9 the previous year; the focus of that patrol was Cam Ranh Bay on the east coast of Vietnam, then the largest Soviet naval base outside the USSR. Pitt began a video that grabbed Hawke's attention and immediately transformed his mood. The PM appeared transfixed as he watched dramatic and brilliantly clear footage taken by HMAS Orion as it slipped in behind and beneath a surfaced Soviet Charlie-class nuclear submarine heading into the Vietnamese port. The video began with distant pictures of the Soviet submarine motoring towards the harbour, well outside the 12-nautical mile (22.2km) Vietnamese territorial limit. The video was shot through a camera in Orion's periscope as the submarine loitered, barely submerged in the choppy sea. Then Pitt took the Orion deep, ran in close behind the Soviet boat, and came up to periscope depth again. Now the video showed the Soviet submarine's wake boiling and bubbling on the surface. Hawke watched, startled, as a clear image of the turning propeller appeared on the screen just above and ahead of Orion. Pitt ran beneath the Soviet submarine, filming sonar and other fittings mounted along its hull. The remarkably clear pictures exposed the underwater secrets of Charlie-class technology. The only other way to get them would be for a western spy to penetrate dry-docks in the Soviet Union. Pitt positioned Orion ahead of and beneath the Soviet submarine, slowed almost to a stop, and then allowed the Soviet boat to pass him while he filmed the other side of its hull. Hawke grasped intuitively that this video intelligence would add immensely to Australia's prestige in the US. It could be used to Australia's advantage in negotiations with Washington and gave Australia a seat at the top table in the global Cold War intelligence collection game. For 45 minutes, Hawke asked questions about how the patrols were organised; their duration, their frequency, their success. He was told how the submarines recorded radio transmissions to deliver vital intelligence to the Western effort to track and identify the Soviet fleet. The officers put up a photograph of a Soviet Kirov-class nuclear-powered cruiser, much admired by Western navies. US spy satellites had picked up the cruiser leaving its base in Murmansk and tracked it around the Cape of Good Hope and into the Indian Ocean. The RAN sent the guided missile frigate HMAS Canberra to intercept the cruiser off Sri Lanka and follow it through the Strait of Malacca and up towards Cam Ranh Bay. The frigate took vital photographs and monitored the cruiser's communications until it approached Vietnam. Pitt, in HMAS Orion, was waiting, submerged outside Cam Ranh Bay with the submarine's communications masts deployed to record the cruiser's arrival. He recorded its procedures and protocols, which deepened Western understanding of Soviet naval communications and command and control systems, meaning the West might be able to jam them in the event of hostilities. The cautious admiral Mike Hudson, chief of the naval staff, dismayed the submariners by telling Hawke that while the operation was professional and produced good intelligence, it was very hazardous. A submarine might be detected and possibly captured, with serious international consequences. "As we do more and more patrols, the likelihood of this happening will increase," Hudson said. Hawke rounded on him. "No, you are wrong," he replied. "I've got a degree in statistics and I can tell you that the probability of detection does not increase as the number of patrols increase. They are discrete, one-off events and the probability of detection is constant." Beazley was delighted with the meeting. Hawke's support for new submarines was locked in. The submarine officers were also triumphant. They had put together a show that had convinced Hawke, converting him from curmudgeon to champion. They did not tell Hawke that Pitt had also video-taped a submerged conventional Soviet submarine going into Cam Ranh Bay. It was brilliant submarine seamanship, but some of his colleagues regarded it as dangerous and unnecessary and Pitt as "a bit of a pirate". He later became director of submarine warfare. The mystery boat operations were shrouded in secrecy as the submarines collected intelligence on the Soviet nuclear submarine and surface fleets and reinforced the US-Australia alliance. They also won Australian submariners their spurs in the Cold War's global espionage game, as they showed uncommon bravery, dash and initiative on about 20 patrols between 1977 and 1992. Their success ensured the Collins-class submarines were built and secured the future of Australia's submarine service. But the last patrol in the series proved a dangerous failure, with HMAS Orion at grave risk of detection and capture. On October 22, 1992, she left Sydney Harbour and headed for Shanghai to gather intelligence on the Chinese navy, especially its new submarines. Orion's CO was commander Rick Shalders, who later commanded Australia's Collins-class submarine fleet. The Americans wanted better intelligence on the Chinese navy, but US nuclear submarines were too big to be sent into the shallow waters of the East China Sea. Australia's smaller O-boats were ideal for the task. Shanghai was China's biggest mainland harbour at the wide mouth of the Yangtse river; the water was shallow and murky, and busy with non-military shipping, including the local fishing fleet and ferries. The shoreline was heavily urbanised. It would not be easy to stay unseen and undetected while barely submerged and trying to collect intelligence, and the consequences of detection could be grave for the submarine's crew and for Australia-China relations. Shalders's trip to the area of operations was uneventful and the submariners were looking forward to getting their work done and getting back to the relatively safety of the open sea. Orion was equipped with the best photographic and electronic intelligence collection equipment; civilian language specialists were on board to translate Chinese navy transmissions. But the patrol proved a nightmare, with the harbour crowded with fishing boats, many trailing long fishing lines and nets. Shalders had to raise his periscope periodically to check the intelligence-collection aerials. The fishermen constantly watched for signs of fish and could not miss minor disturbances made by Orion's equipment and by the presence of the submarine not far below the surface. They followed Orion around the harbour. Shalders could not surface and could not risk moving quickly away from the danger. Things started to get desperate when Orion fouled the fishing lines and nets. One fishing boat started to sink by its bow as its net became entangled with the submarine. The fisherman saved himself by cutting away the net from the boat with an axe. By now Shalders knew he was facing possible disaster. It was only a matter of time before the Peoples' Liberation Navy became aware something was seriously amiss and investigated what was going on in the shallow water. Shalders and his crew faced the real prospect of detection, surrender, capture, imprisonment, trial and possible execution as spies. Relations between Australia and China would be in tatters. Shalders decided he had no choice but to abandon the operation. Summoning all his skills, he took the submarine out of the harbour and into the relative safety of the East China Sea. The Australians returned home with nothing to show for their hair-raising experience. The then chief of the naval staff, admiral Ian McDougall, a former submarine commander, told defence minister Robert Ray the O-boats were reaching the limits of their service lives and the patrols should be stopped because of the growing danger. The submarine service was incandescent. It saw the patrols as invaluable for its reputation at home and abroad, and for continuing access to funding. The submariners wanted to preserve the skills they had developed. The Defence Intelligence Organisation argued that despite the Soviet collapse there was an acute need to collect intelligence on the military activities of other countries, especially China, India and Indonesia, and that submarines were the most effective means. But Ray accepted McDougall's advice and ordered an end to the patrols. A senior submariner, commander John Dikkenberg, met Hawke's successor as PM, Paul Keating, to argue for reinstatement of the patrols. Keating listened carefully, but would not over-rule his defence minister. Four years later, when Ian McLachlan was appointed John Howard's first defence minister, he asked to be briefed on the cancelled patrols. The navy urged their resumption and was given the OK for a carefully controlled and limited mission off Indonesia to re-establish intelligence-collecting skills. Bronwyn Bishop, then minister for defence science and technology, also accepted that skills were being lost and gave her blessing to resumed patrols. Six more patrols were undertaken, mainly monitoring Indonesian military communications around Indonesia and East Timor. The Howard government wanted more information on Indonesian military activities in Timor, where Fretilin guerillas were still fighting for independence. The new Abbott government is considering whether to acquire a fleet of 12 new submarines, which would represent Australia's largest defence project. If it does, the proud Cold War history of the O-boats will have helped persuade decision-makers that submarines, despite their daunting cost, can be very good value indeed for taxpayers' dollars. Source The Australian newspaper
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User #23389442 - 2 Aug 20 01:46
Yes finally! Can't wait for this one!
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User #39977470 - 1 Aug 20 23:03
The predecessor to Canadas slightly broken in Used-boats. I mean Upholders. I mean Victorias. Looking forward to the O Boat story!
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User #24524713 - 2 Aug 20 20:51
Cold war era diesel boats baby! Yeah!
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User #24524713 - 1 Aug 20 22:50
Very cool!
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User #38942082 - 3 Aug 20 13:27
I found an interesting little article last week about Canada's O-class operations, I haven't finished going through it, but it seemed to have some really nice info and good footnotes to work from
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User #38942082 - 3 Aug 20 13:27
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.cnrs-scrn.org/northern_mariner/vol23/tnm_23_367-398.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjf-7q68_zqAhUEmuAKHeMJCoYQFjAQegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw2TPliUQHC62w2Nb8DDPlUg
Yankee SSBN Sub Brief All Parts
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Here are the links to all parts of the Yankee Sub Brief:

Part 1: https://www.patreon.com/posts/39453916

Part 2: https://www.patreon.com/posts/39460476

Part 3: https://www.patreon.com/posts/39480358

Part 4: https://www.patreon.com/posts/39480432

Part 5: https://www.patreon.com/posts/39469897

Part 6: https://www.patreon.com/posts/39471248




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User #39958086 - 1 Aug 20 16:15
Can these also be posted via YouTube and not Vimeo? As a private link?
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User #155148 - 19 Jul 20 21:41
It's so sad, that an outstanding career for a Yankee is not having a fire, major collision or nuclear incident. Really makes you think, if that was the state of the Soviet nuclear Navy at the time, stories like my fathers seem much more plausible. One time he told me, they surfaced next to a Russian submarine in the Baltic sea, that was apparently in some kind of trouble. Turns out, the Russian crew was literally starving as their food had gone bad. The German crew "had to" trade their Breadbaking mixture with instructions translated to russian for alot of Vodka, as the Russians didn't want to accept the Breadmixture as a gift. I think the Westgerman Kaleu wrote a logbook entry about that, but you can be sure there wasn't anything about that in the Russian books.
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User #13374174 - 31 Jul 20 21:41
Yeah, their engineering was almost always great, but maintenance was always problematic - add to that times when there wasn't money and you have recipe for disaster. That being said, I would like to see comparison between US and Soviet/Russian escape vessels. I know that US's has ability to only deploy couple of people at the time, so you'll get some of the crew faster, but possibly not all of the crew. On the other hand Russian design is to pack everyone and detach - which risks a delay, but also saves pretty much everyone on board. I wonder if ships couldn't have both systems.
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User #155148 - 31 Jul 20 22:06
Jive did a Whiteboard on that: https://youtu.be/En5I_hbRaFA
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'Yankee' Sub Brief research complete!

I've spent over 100 hours with my nose in design documents, ship's log books, on conference calls and on research websites. The Sub Brief is put together. I'll be recording and editing it this week and published next week, a week ahead of scheduled release.

Supply Officers and above will get their special content a day early.

Everyone gets the Sub Brief at the same time.


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User #24524713 - 14 Jul 20 23:15
Awesome Sir!
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User #4418978 - 14 Jul 20 21:43
Privileged to support your awesome work, former sub hunter! -Bill Collier
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jivturky - 14 Jul 20 21:45
Thank you, Bill.
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User #23350109 - 14 Jul 20 21:37
Fighting the good fight
Yankee Sidecar Data Sheet
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Yankee Sidecar was a test platform for one of two missile complexes that would be used on future Soviet/Russian naval platforms.

There is an incredible amount of data and detail coming up in the Yankee SSBN Sub Brief. The original design was not the first design and Project 667A was modified 6 additional times. The Yankee submarine is the Swiss army knife of the Cold War. Release date is estimated to be end of July 2020.


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User #24524713 - 13 Jul 20 19:18
I pictured a midget sub strapped to the side of the Yankee when I read this... lol.
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User #23931987 - 12 Jul 20 20:32
Man I can't wait for the new sub brief! I like how NATO gave all the variant the most suitable designations like Sidecar, Stretch or Big Nose!
Rare Soviet Oscar SSGN Missile Test (no audio)
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The Oscar class SSGN was a marvel of engineering designed to sink American carrier fleets. In reality, it would have cause havoc and sunk many ships in the U.S. convoy fleet including an aircraft carrier.


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User #23389442 - 12 Jul 20 02:34
That ripple test is amazing, a major threat to NATO, only NATO subs finding and sinking this beast would stop it from wreaking havoc on fleets.
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User #12864025 - 12 Jul 20 20:44
Not so sure back then how effective it would have been. We had a bead on every one sailing. Soviets Would have been sunk prior to engagement of surface convoy or attack fleet. Even with escort subs protecting these missile boats. Today, thanks to John Walker, Israel breech of what they stole from USA, French and UK breaches, things would be different. Their systems are improved. While we have dumped, not improved or replaced combined arms approach to ASW. We (USA) are still good, but far from our previous effectiveness of multi-facet intel of Russia (now China) subs, their movements, orders, and capability. Our Cold War+ non sub undersea, surface, land, space, aircraft systems have been killed off. With thin replacements. If we do have some replacements,few in quantity, plus new systems IP has been compromised (by high traitors within our ranks that make John Walker look like a first grade shoplifter of candy), DOD/contractor uber bad moron mountain cyber security.. From the likes of Lockheed (plus other companies) and .gov systems. People like Rickover, Craven, and many others unknown to us are not numerous today (or exist at all). Those in DC run by their corporate taskmasters together ruin much of independent transformational .mil thought.
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User #4130809 - 14 Jul 20 17:44
See Eric Weintstein about institutional rot.
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User #39958086 - 14 Sep 20 12:44
This scene can be seen in the Kursk's K-141 sinking documentary, Project 949. Its on Amazon Prime.
All 25 Submarine Briefings as of July 11th, 2020
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China's Shang Type093 https://www.patreon.com/posts/chinas-type-093-38616893
China's HAN Type 091 https://www.patreon.com/posts/project-091-han-38436746
China's Yuan Type 039A https://www.patreon.com/posts/chinese-type-sub-37926230
Scorpene SSK https://www.patreon.com/posts/scorpene-ssk-s-36755138
Typhoon https://www.patreon.com/posts/repost-project-36371567
Borei SSBN https://www.patreon.com/posts/project-955-ssbn-36283687
Yasen SSGN https://www.patreon.com/posts/yasen-ssgn-sub-35918794
Echo II SSGN https://www.patreon.com/posts/project-675-echo-35489224
Echo I SSGN https://www.patreon.com/posts/echo-i-ssgn-sub-34971469
Nautilus SSN https://www.patreon.com/posts/uss-nautilus-ssn-33644585
Mike SSN https://www.patreon.com/posts/mike-ssn-sub-34589259
Collins SSK https://www.patreon.com/posts/australian-class-29195618
Trafalgar SSN https://www.patreon.com/posts/trafalgar-class-29310550
Oscar SSGN https://www.patreon.com/posts/oscar-class-ssgn-29572201
Gotland SSK https://www.patreon.com/posts/gotland-class-29788932
Victor I SSN https://www.patreon.com/posts/project-671-i-30315285
Victor II SSN https://www.patreon.com/posts/victor-ii-671rt-30728856
Victor III SSN https://www.patreon.com/posts/victor-iii-sub-38931611
November SSN https://www.patreon.com/posts/sub-brief-ssn-31484977
Akula SSN https://www.patreon.com/posts/project-971-sub-31994080
Soryu SSK https://www.patreon.com/posts/soryu-ssk-sub-32420089
Alpha SSN https://www.patreon.com/posts/32779509
Type 212A SSK https://www.patreon.com/posts/type-212a-sub-33146427
Kilo II SSK https://www.patreon.com/posts/project-06363-ii-33337874
Papa SSGN https://www.patreon.com/posts/papa-ssgn-sub-34191685


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User #4176028 - 24 Aug 20 13:50
Great thank you!
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User #24524713 - 11 Jul 20 22:59
:D
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User #41031977 - 25 Aug 20 16:54
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jivturky - 26 Aug 20 03:53
If you have any data on Agosta 90B AIP with MESMA please send me the data. AVJ, you can be the source of the brief.
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User #41031977 - 25 Aug 20 16:54
Aaron, please share a brief on Agosta 90B sub with the MESMA Air Independent Propulsion system.
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jivturky - 26 Aug 20 03:52
I have not done Agosta 90B .
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User #2562331 - 22 Jul 20 20:56
Viktor III link is broken
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jivturky - 23 Jul 20 15:52
Victor III link was fixed two weeks ago. It plays the full 1 hour + video.
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User #2562331 - 23 Jul 20 21:16
Its not fixed in the samsung patreon app
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jivturky - 25 Aug 20 16:14
This should play the video. https://www.patreon.com/posts/victor-iii-sub-38931611
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User #2562331 - 20 Jul 20 02:14
The US did not get anti ship missiles until the late 70s so before that the Echo II sub was not hopeless if its target lacked a carrier.
K-219 had a history mishaps
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The events of 1973 were eerily similar to the events that sunk the submarine 13 years later.

In 1986, the missile watch standers and the officer in charge (weapons officer) knew tube 6 leaked sea water a month before the September 1986 deployment off the coast of Bermuda and DID NOT TELL THE CAPTAIN!

The watch was instructed, by the weaps, to use high pressure air to blow water out of missile tube 6 every day to keep the tube dry. On October 4th, 1986 the missile watch used too much air pressure in the tube and collapsed the fuel tank that resulted in an explosion killing him, the other watch stander and the weapons officer.

Eventually, K-219 would sink due to complications of an escalating casualties that began with not reporting faulty equipment.


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User #9720550 - 10 Jul 20 19:14
You just on have ro remember to specifically tell people to not be dumb and they will mostly obey... tech is easy, people are hard.
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User #24524713 - 11 Jul 20 04:37
Wow, that's disturbing. The not reporting thing is very telling... Corrupt higher ups are almost always what leads to that. Even dumb people tend to pass on info, but dumb and smart people won't, if doing there job of reporting a leak will result in them being thrown in the gulag.
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User #38980457 - 18 Jul 20 19:26
So the air pressure the watch injected into the tube was too much and that collapsed the fuel tank, not the sea water pressure? Can’t imagine that pressure is very slight considering the torpedo has to endure the water pressure.
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User #38308399 - 10 Jul 20 22:59
Is it the latest unclassified information? Looks a bit different from most earlier public data like wiki. The earlier version is the leaking in tube 6 eventually touch the propellant of the missile, stream steam generated and the disaster happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_submarine_K-219
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jivturky - 11 Jul 20 02:14
this is from the Russian investigation summary report. I dont' know how long it's been available, i found it today.
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User #155148 - 10 Jul 20 20:15
This kind of fault handling happens, when an equipment or training failure can land you in a Gulag, even if it wasn't your fault.
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User #4882884 - 10 Jul 20 22:41
As a former US submariner (in engineering) I find it fascinating how the cultural differences affect the way problems get handled. That ill-fated PIA flight is another example. I just can't imagine things going that way on the subs I was on. At least not with the people I worked with.
Yankee Project 667A Sub Brief research in progress
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This is my life during the research phase of a Sub Brief. I estimate that I am about 30% complete with the first draft.

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User #24524713 - 8 Jul 20 18:39
Nice!
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User #23389442 - 9 Jul 20 04:38
Brilliant stuff, keep up your awesome research!
Yankee SSBN Systems
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Here is some reading to help prepare you for the Yankee SSBN Sub Brief. The Yankee brief will be approximately 100 slides, 90 minutes long and I intend to have it out by the end of the month. It is the largest brief I have ever attempted.



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User #4130809 - 6 Jul 20 04:02
Nice! Can't wait! Take your time to do it right!
Type 093 Shang SSN Sub Brief will be released July 3rd
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Research is complete on the next sub brief, Shang SSN.


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User #23753815 - 24 Jun 20 03:31
I recall that JT had posted a video about 093 on Youtube in August 2019, but he deleted it later.
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User #4130809 - 23 Jun 20 06:19
I hope the Chinese learned the lesson from the Han. On second thought, maybe I don't wish it.
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User #24524713 - 23 Jun 20 06:33
Ikr
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User #24524713 - 22 Jun 20 22:02
Ironically enough this was posted yesterday. I wanted to make sure your aware of it :D http://www.hisutton.com/Chinese-Navy-Type-093-Shang-Class-Submarine.html
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User #24524713 - 22 Jun 20 21:16
Dang bro, your quick :D
Bridge! I want to be convenient.
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When the Han SSN sails on the surface, the underwater toilet cannot be used. Only the water surface toilet on the side of the control tower can be used. A crewman must ask permission to use the toilet, "Bridge! I want to be convenient (relieved)." (Chinese to English translation is best guess)


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User #7660869 - 20 Jun 20 07:32
Chinese dump or junk lol
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User #24524713 - 20 Jun 20 07:10
Reminds me of car rides.... Child: Dad, I have to go poo! Dad: No you don't.... Child: uhhhhhh, yeah, and I just did.....
China's HAN screw blade 1/5
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The first HAN SSN began sea trials in the Yellow Sea in the mid 1970's. We had assets in place to observe her testing. The Yellow Sea is very busy with fishing trawlers and coastal merchants running up and down the coast. This made finding her difficult,not because she was quiet but because she was just as loud as the merchant ships.

Our submarine was tracking the HAN SSN submerged as a light merchant due to it's noise signature for hours before they realized there was no surface ship on the bearing of the contact.

Han is a poor design, by Western standards, very loud and has limited capability.... but she is good enough to submerge, drive and surface. Good enough is the goal for the PLAN fleet.

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User #23417748 - 19 Jun 20 18:08
Finding hay in a haystack proofs more difficult then finding the needle.
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User #24524713 - 20 Jun 20 01:49
HAHA, I thought the story of the worlds loudest recroded ssn couldn't any better... I was wrong. LOL Reality truly is better than fiction. :D
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User #4882884 - 19 Jun 20 19:09
Camouflage
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jivturky - 19 Jun 20 18:05
Soon
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User #4130809 - 19 Jun 20 17:52
How close are we to a sub brief cap'n?
China's first nuclear submarine, Type 091 story
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China's first nuclear submarine, Type 091 hull shape was modeled after Kenner's 1965 toy submarine. This saved Hydrodynamic testing and development time. Source: Huang Xuhua, Chief Designer


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User #24731863 - 15 Jun 20 15:44
I interviewed John Craven....In a discussion about deterrence, he related a story about the USS George Washington. He started by asking, "What do you do if your enemy fields an overwhelming weapon you have no defense for?" He answered, "You attack immediately." Which made sense. So what did they do to keep the USSR from that course of action? This: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/revell-renwal-85-7820-uss-george-washington-ssbn-598--234273 Which looks nearly identical to this: http://www.motionmodels.com/ships/sub/k420.html Speaking of "insane and oddly clever...."
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User #24524713 - 15 Jun 20 21:32
Wow, Thats Crazy! I've seen that kit before and thought for its release date its surprising detailed! Do you have anyway we can watch the interview? Or read it? Sound like a great interview!
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User #36267608 - 15 Jun 20 16:07
When i was a kid i found that if you let water fill a wiffle ball bat it sailed under water like a torpedo... should i send them one for the banana mk II? Bonus, they are already yellow!
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User #23429486 - 15 Jun 20 20:56
Funny, I have a HobbyBoss model of the Type 091, a toy based on a submarine based on a toy.
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User #12985908 - 15 Jun 20 18:37
HA HA - I had one of those toys, Used it in my bathtub when I was like 6. It used a bicarbonate of soda pill to affect ballast. Did put the ballast plug on the bottom on the real sub. Moral of the story: they were stealing our technology even back then.
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User #24524713 - 15 Jun 20 21:32
I am deeply disturbed and intrigued by this info, lol. That's freaking genius, yet so simple and easy, yet clever and... and... I don't have words for this. lol.
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User #4708370 - 15 Jun 20 15:11
Wow, really? That's both insane and oddly clever.
Research begins on China's Type 09-1 HAN SSN
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Mao Zedong said "China will have a nuclear submarine even if it takes 1000 years!" after the USS Nautilus successfully sailed from the Atlantic to Pacific and back again.

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User #12346616 - 15 Jun 20 17:20
Should I invest I ear defence if there is audio content
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User #24524713 - 20 Jun 20 18:18
I just realized what you meant by that...... HAHA... Man I am slow....
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User #29392974 - 14 Jun 20 11:00
Excited!
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User #36267608 - 12 Jun 20 20:18
Don't let George Lucas fool you, Han shot first!
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User #23753815 - 13 Jun 20 23:42
The very first 091 sub is now in the Chinese Navy Museum. If you come to Qingdao City, Shandong Province, China, you can go visit her.
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User #24524713 - 14 Jun 20 05:47
Thats cool
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User #2971809 - 13 Jun 20 00:41
I can't wait for this briefing! :)
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User #4130809 - 12 Jun 20 20:44
Looking forward! Preemptive gratitude to Saturnax!
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Type 039A https://www.patreon.com/posts/chinese-type-sub-37926230

Scorpene SSK https://www.patreon.com/posts/scorpene-ssk-s-36755138

Typhoon https://www.patreon.com/posts/repost-project-36371567

Borei SSBN https://www.patreon.com/posts/project-955-ssbn-36283687

Yasen SSGN https://www.patreon.com/posts/yasen-ssgn-sub-35918794

Echo II SSGN https://www.patreon.com/posts/project-675-echo-35489224

Echo I SSGN https://www.patreon.com/posts/echo-i-ssgn-sub-34971469

Nautilus SSN https://www.patreon.com/posts/uss-nautilus-ssn-33644585

Mike SSN https://www.patreon.com/posts/mike-ssn-sub-34589259

Collins SSK https://www.patreon.com/posts/australian-class-29195618

Trafalgar SSN https://www.patreon.com/posts/trafalgar-class-29310550

Oscar SSGN https://www.patreon.com/posts/oscar-class-ssgn-29572201

Gotland SSK https://www.patreon.com/posts/gotland-class-29788932

Victor I SSN https://www.patreon.com/posts/gotland-class-29788932

Victor II SSN https://www.patreon.com/posts/victor-ii-671rt-30728856

Victor III SSN https://www.patreon.com/posts/victor-iii-ssn-31104902

November SSN https://www.patreon.com/posts/victor-iii-ssn-31104902

Akula SSN https://www.patreon.com/posts/project-971-sub-31994080

Soryu SSK https://www.patreon.com/posts/soryu-ssk-sub-32420089

Alpha SSN https://www.patreon.com/posts/32779509

Type 212A SSK https://www.patreon.com/posts/type-212a-sub-33146427

Kilo II SSK https://www.patreon.com/posts/project-06363-ii-33337874

Papa SSGN https://www.patreon.com/posts/papa-ssgn-sub-34191685


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User #36775320 - 10 Jun 20 18:15 - revision 3
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User #12776144 - 20 Jun 20 19:08
I remember there was a 093 brief. Is it removed? For containing sensitive info?
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User #36775320 - 10 Jun 20 18:15
Very nice, but the Victor I's and the November's link points to the wrong classes. Excellent content though, sir.
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jivturky - 12 Jun 20 20:09
I fixed those links. Thank you for letting me know.
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jivturky - 8 Jul 20 11:42
I have updated the Victor III link to a working video replay. Thank you for letting me know of the problem.
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User #36775320 - 10 Jun 20 18:15 - revision 2
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User #4130809 - 10 Jun 20 02:40
Thanks!
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User #2971809 - 10 Jun 20 16:07
This is extremely appreciated and very helpful, thanks so much Aaron! :)
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User #35429437 - 11 Jun 20 17:43
I can't open the Victor III brief.
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jivturky - 12 Jun 20 20:09
It's working now.
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User #24524713 - 10 Jun 20 04:10
Wow, when you step back and look at it, that's a lot of briefs! Great quick access links!
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User #7923699 - 12 Jun 20 04:34
Super helpful thanks!
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Love the new place. Wish I had internet.










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User #7222659 - 3 Jun 20 02:41
I love that house.. Weird feels, I'm still in the middle of moving into my own new house.. kinda want yours :p
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User #3600251 - 7 Jun 20 02:51
Congratulations! That boat looks too big for the lake! LOL!
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User #280772 - 1 Jun 20 19:49
Beautiful location you've got there. Doesn't look as if social distancing is going to be a problem for you! :)
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jivturky - 2 Jun 20 12:58
We took social distancing to the next level.
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User #4130809 - 2 Jun 20 02:32
Looks like you don't have to worry too much about social distancing or riots out there.
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jivturky - 2 Jun 20 13:00
Everyone here is too chill to riot.
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User #23389442 - 2 Jun 20 11:49
Looks very peaceful, enjoy settling in :)
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User #12864025 - 3 Jun 20 02:26
Elon Musk will have partial 24/7 norther America service by fall of so on StarLink. I bet you (Jive) would qualify for early client trial. Just a thought, Aaron.
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User #716378 - 1 Jun 20 19:41
Glad to see you made it safely. Looks like doggy will have quite the yard to run around in.
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User #14470943 - 1 Jun 20 22:51
Wow Aaron very pretty place! I have never been to The States, I did once but I had a family. Cheers from Australia.
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User #25114071 - 5 Jun 20 09:59
Nice place Jive. Looks very peaceful out there. I'm betting it'll be a bit colder than Florida so I assume that the Hawaiian shirts will be a summer time thing.
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User #2971809 - 6 Jun 20 01:56
Amazing property you've moved into, beautiful dog and incredible views! Congratulations on the successful move! I guarantee that if anyone tries anything fishy in your nearby lake, you'll be the first to know thanks to the powerful active and passive sonar system I'm confident you've installed in your boat. ;)
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User #30922697 - 2 Jun 20 02:24
Very nice place! I'm jealous of that cathedral ceiling.
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User #28923376 - 1 Jun 20 20:52
Bianca and Jive "in the baffles" :-) Stay well!
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User #10476650 - 6 Jun 20 02:16
Glad the move went well. From a fellow Michigander, Welcome!
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User #26070247 - 1 Jun 20 19:41
I grew up in White Cloud Michigan. Looks similar to what I grew up in..
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User #24524713 - 4 Jun 20 08:11
That's a lot to take in :D Killer view! Sweet house! And boats!
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User #24131964 - 10 Jun 20 03:44
Beautiful find Arron. If you have 4G cellular, you can get internet. Get a Mofi4500 modem/wifi/router, and an ATT compatible SIM. I have unlimited/unthrottled 4G for the princely sum of $34.99 a month. Mofi's also work with T-Mobile and VZ .. uses the Sierra MC7455 (SIM4) chip .. ships from Canada. Buying a snowblower .. on your To-Do list :)
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User #12346616 - 2 Jun 20 08:53
Amazing looking land and property. I really hope you and yours will enjoy the new place
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User #716378 - 1 Jun 20 19:46
How does Mrs. Turkey like it?
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jivturky - 2 Jun 20 12:58
She loves it.
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We are in Michigan now and are waiting for the internet to be connected. As soon as i am back online I will finish the China Type 039 sub brief. Here are some Michigan photos for you.


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User #29014289 - 2 Jun 20 11:29
ur pup looks happy with the move
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User #4130809 - 2 Jun 20 02:33
How are you uploading without internet?
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jivturky - 2 Jun 20 12:57
I am using my cell phone
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User #24524713 - 4 Jun 20 08:06
Awesome! Happy for you it finally happened! Looks Beautiful from those photos!
Bianca and I are moving! (finally)
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Our trip to Michigan begins this week. My internet is being shut off until I get moved into the new house. I will be back online first week of June 2020. I expect to have the next sub brief done by then.


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User #31347002 - 23 May 20 17:57
Safe travels 🤟🏼
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User #716378 - 23 May 20 21:33
Good luck and safe travels.
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User #12346616 - 23 May 20 15:20
Have a great trip and a safe move Jive
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User #3359132 - 23 May 20 18:55
Be careful on the road! All the best
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User #24524713 - 24 May 20 20:09
Congrats! Safe travels!
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User #7188858 - 24 May 20 12:07
Safe journey Jive
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User #36267608 - 29 May 20 20:28
As the knight said in Indiana Jones, you have chosen... poorly. J/K welcome to the mitten! Once you get settled you will have to go vist the USS Silversides in Muskegon.
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User #569101 - 26 May 20 15:45
On my way into work this morning, traffic was briefly held up by, of all things, a _turkey_ crossing the road! And this was in the middle of Warren, Detroit's largest suburb. Heh, just realized... Bianca is perfectly camouflaged for winter up here! :-D
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User #15773741 - 25 May 20 15:03
I hope Mrs. Jive will be accompanying you two, or did I miss some vital information in my stream absence?
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User #4130809 - 24 May 20 02:52
You walking her all the way to MI Jive? 🤔
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User #28923376 - 23 May 20 15:56
Michigan: +1 cool dog
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User #386080 - 23 May 20 14:27
All the best on your trip Jive! Remember to lower periscope before you get underway!
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User #34311064 - 23 May 20 22:17
Watch out for the crash dummies along the way! Safe travels!
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User #23970138 - 23 May 20 14:26
Good doggo 😊
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User #10597495 - 23 May 20 14:27
Congrats Jive, have a safe trip!
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User #29014289 - 24 May 20 07:03
thats a happy dog #respect travel safe
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User #28923376 - 23 May 20 15:57
MIchigan: + 1 cool&smart&lovely TURKEY
Research on China's Type 039 continues
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I wanted to let you know that I am hard at work on the next Sub Brief. The next one will focus on China's Type 039 diesel sub and all its variants, both Song and Yuan classes.

If you haven't joined the Discord chat yet here is your invite: https://discord.gg/qshHCX

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User #4130809 - 20 May 20 15:51
Looking forward to it. I hear its related to the Kilo, or at least is Kilo-like.
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User #12864025 - 23 May 20 20:03
Wanted to join your Discord group. Say denied or expired
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jivturky - 2 Jun 20 21:36
https://discord.gg/CxnX5f
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User #4130809 - 21 May 20 01:29
Here is HI Sutton's brief on current AIP boats. The Yuan has a pithy write-up toward the end: http://www.hisutton.com/World%20survey%20of%20AIP%20submarines.html
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User #24524713 - 20 May 20 20:22
oO000OOoo! That's a nice picture. Looking forward to this as well!
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User #7918019 - 20 May 20 22:02
That sounds interesting. Keep up the great work! Kudos from Poland
Fellowship of the Jive
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My Discord channel is live with regular updates about submarines, my move to Michigan and just about everything else. It's a community of fun people who just hang out with me everyday.

If you want to join us, here is your invite: https://discord.gg/cmxgFKc

Share that with whom ever you want. It's free and everyone is welcome!

If you don't have the Discord app you can get it here: https://discord.com/download

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User #7660869 - 17 May 20 14:41
Finally made it to Michigan. Outstanding
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User #35272640 - 20 May 20 01:06
I'm wondering if sub briefs about the Delta classes are being planed?
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Been busy researching and writing this article WarZone magazine. Please give it a read and let me know what you think.

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User #24524713 - 21 May 20 06:29
Awesome!
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User #4130809 - 17 May 20 00:52
Fascinating article Capt!
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User #34970023 - 15 May 20 02:57
Excellent sub article. Top notch.
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User #34161649 - 14 May 20 21:55
Really interesting stuff :)
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User #23897445 - 15 May 20 11:43
Awesome article, thanks Aaron.
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User #28965198 - 14 May 20 22:16
I understood how listening to subs is the way to learn their signatures. But is it the same process with torpedoes ? You would just covertly listen to torpedo trials to understand how they work and design your countermeasure based on that, alone?
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User #23389442 - 15 May 20 09:55
neither confirm or deny NATO subs in the Barents sea in the 80s ... but knowing how a torpedos sonar system works is probably more down to spy work with engineers than operations
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User #12985908 - 15 May 20 02:10
Great Article - An Idea JIve make a video from the article. And since they paid for it, give them right of the link on their website and since they have all the other rights for info.
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User #209469 - 14 May 20 21:51
Awesome article ! As always !
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User #2971809 - 22 Jun 20 00:53
Great read! :)
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User #4882884 - 14 May 20 22:38
Again I learn more about submarines from Jive than when I served on them.
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User #4299672 - 14 May 20 22:09
That was *incredibly* informative. Very nice work.
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User #23753815 - 13 May 20 04:54
So what type of sub is it? 212A?
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jivturky - 13 May 20 20:29
I believe so.
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User #11656703 - 15 May 20 17:29
That's 212A.
China's Type 039A Yuan class
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It's a combination of Kilo II and Japan's Soryu. Interesting Hybrid design. The difficult thing about China's Navy is I haven't found reliable sources. If anyone has a recommend source that discuss China's ships and submarines, leave it in the comments. Thanks.

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User #33527724 - 10 May 20 18:56
https://thaimilitaryandasianregion.wordpress.com/2017/04/01/yuan-type-039a-type-041-submarine-yuan-class/
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jivturky - 10 May 20 19:39
Thank you, I will check this out.
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User #4130809 - 11 May 20 00:30
Ooo, good find Disgruntledxdc!
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User #25004140 - 9 May 20 01:34
Try the author of the submarine matters blog? http://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2019/04/chinas-mighty-mysterious-yuan.html?m=1
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User #23965770 - 8 May 20 17:59
Just ask the chinese defense ministry. You will get what you need ;)
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User #4130809 - 9 May 20 01:00
"Thank you so much JiveTurkey. We'll be happy to supply you with all the information you need if you'll just help us understand American submarine operations and sonars. We offer excellent rewards and job opportunities. Also must praise Chinese response to coronavirus, which your government so unscrupulously unleashed upon us, every two minutes in your video. Xi is such a fabulous hero general against the american virus threat etc. etc. Please let us know what you need to know. Yours truely, PLAN." 🤣
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User #11656703 - 10 May 20 07:53
Hey Jive, I do have few interesting pictures of the PLAN submarines & surface ships. Just give me a shout when you're ready & we can discuss.
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jivturky - 20 May 20 13:58
Thank you for the photos
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User #12985908 - 15 May 20 02:14
If you make me a short version of your video promoting your channel, We will promote in our China site, https://twotigersonemountain.com/ and our https://warhappens.com/
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User #965091 - 13 May 20 04:45
I have a book, The Worlds Greatest Submarines, ISBN; 978-1-78274-482-5, Author David Ross, in the book on page 180/181 it talks about Type 039 (Song) and Type 041 (Yuan). Not a lot of info but interesting reading.
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User #33527724 - 10 May 20 18:55
Hi Jive, long time lurker, first time poster here. Given the lack of publically available or translated information on Chinese sub systems, maybe Thai or Pakistani sources are more easily accessible given they are export customers of the Yuan.
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User #4130809 - 9 May 20 00:57
"the difficult thing is I haven't found reliable sources. if anyone..." Saturnax, paging Saturnax... 🤔
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User #34587594 - 8 May 20 17:52
https://news.usni.org/2015/08/31/essay-inside-the-design-of-chinas-yuan-class-submarine
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User #4130809 - 9 May 20 21:33
That makes it sound like an updated/enhanced Song Class. Maybe Jive will want to combine the two into one Sub Brief given the limited info available on both?
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User #23389442 - 7 May 20 01:49
Russian subs be like "only a flesh wound comrade, lets move to the starboard side pressure hull and operate the sub from there"
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User #4130809 - 7 May 20 03:01
That only works on the Typhoons.
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User #24131964 - 7 May 20 04:37
The first plate? I do wish that they had put some reference scale in the photo. The first plate might be from a late WWII sub. The Virginia Class has a hull thickness of 3", And it is of HY100 .. 100K psi Yield strength. And yeah, being an ex-combat engineer .. sure does look like a shape charge. For sure, an interesting display. Hope your move is going well Aaron.
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User #4130809 - 7 May 20 15:39
3"? I seriously doubt that. That would weigh way too much over the entire surface area of a sub.
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jivturky - 8 May 20 14:55
The 688 and 726 classes had less than inch of HY80, HY100. Don't know the thickness of the Virginia, but I doubt it's 3 inches. That's THICCC.
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User #16306684 - 7 May 20 15:57
Looks oddly similar to the effect of an APFSDS round against a tank armour, I'd have expected it to be more of a buckling/cracking effect. Very interesting!
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User #4130809 - 8 May 20 00:08
it's a shaped charge to overcome the light warhead.
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User #9720550 - 6 May 20 13:35
The spall damage on that second plate looks like something I would not want on my face or other sensitive equipment.
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User #6999202 - 11 May 20 22:46
US started using shaped charges on the Mark 50 Barracuda torpedo in service in 1981. It was in response to double hulled Soviet subs, titanium built or not. Meant to incapacitate and render them ineffective by punching holes in them, since the warhead on a small torpedo is too small to kill them.
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User #155148 - 6 May 20 12:38
I am guessing, that the reduction in effect isn't negligible in larger depths, that then necessitates the large damage potential we see here. Also you don't just want to puncture a hole in an enemy Submarine, but achieve at least a mission kill.
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User #23372707 - 6 May 20 12:42
Double hulls, ballast tanks, sonar, etc. It makes sense if I think about it.
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User #23429486 - 6 May 20 13:43
What model of torpedo was it?
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User #280772 - 6 May 20 13:53
MU90 seems to be their current lightweight torpedo. That doesn't guarentee that it was the model that did the damage from the photo of course.
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User #24524713 - 9 May 20 00:02
I knew it! Ever since I was like 10 yrs old and learned what shaped charges were I thought about torpedoes carrying them! I've always had a sneaking suspicion that I definitely wasn't the only one whom had thought of it!
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User #28965198 - 6 May 20 12:47
I know nothing about the damage needed to put a sub out of combat, is penetration what is sought? Could be an idea of a topic for you to cover.
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User #4130809 - 6 May 20 16:02
Looks like a shaped charge.
Scorpene SSK Research is in full swing
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User #24524713 - 4 May 20 00:12
Great!
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User #4130809 - 3 May 20 15:47
Nice!
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User #23520105 - 3 May 20 16:27
Is there a submarine that Saturnax doesn't have a cool picture of?
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User #4130809 - 3 May 20 19:02
secret, agent man, secret...
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User #18008813 - 3 May 20 22:10
That's exactly what a secret agent would say though lol
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User #11656703 - 3 May 20 17:30
Lol I don't think so😂
My USS Narwhal SSN-671 article on Warzone
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User #24524713 - 30 Apr 20 22:47
Holy Natural Circulation Reactor Jive-man! I totally forgot about you writing for warzone! I am really going to enjoy this article!
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User #4130809 - 2 May 20 05:53
Nice! That HI Sutton guy has quite a website.
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User #12864025 - 3 May 20 17:04
^^^ My reference analogy to white coat megalomaniacs refers to the current CCP Virus, and the response. I was not clear enough for some folks.
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User #23389442 - 1 May 20 08:20
Great write up! Going to read all your other articles now too :)
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User #31347002 - 1 May 20 01:23
@Aaron, nice! Either I was reading your mind when making suggestions for the May sub brief, or it was an awesome coincidence. Either way thanks for sharing! -Dan
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User #12864025 - 3 May 20 17:02
Great article Jive. Quesrion... Bremerton WA.... What has been scrapped, what is in some sort of reserve ready or mothball state with USA subs. Seems like this boat and many others have life in them (for a variety of top/mid tier missions). And would be lower cost to retro fit than the wildly over budget .mil industrial complex nonsense new systems. As a big taxpayer, I am done with those who fritter our assets away, and come up with so many failed and unfocused systems. Those of .mil and contractors should be held accountable. They forget way too often who their bosses are and whose hard earned treasure they are tapping into. Also, I don’t see leaders in .mil taking on with public morons in Congress and WH. They just go along in the end in order to get their retirements. Heck, white coat megalomaniacs that are 75 years old had been sources to dictate the shut down and wealth destruction of everyone one of us. And much of this panic will end our liberty, based on intentional faulty data. mil and civilians in the defense ecosystem pale in comparison. They should be ethical, but as strong as a few of these white coats. IMHO. Anyway, love seeing the history lessons. Does give me faith in mankind there used to be a different set of folks getting things done. At least those who are interested learn the difference.
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User #5598645 - 1 May 20 06:23
thanks
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User #33580057 - 30 Apr 20 20:55
@factoryclubs
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User #33917771 - 30 Apr 20 23:44
Amazing article, captain! Kinda makes me sad to see Narwhal sitting there in the last photo. Kinda makes me feel similar to driving past an old house one used to live in for years in the past. The fact that her NC reactor design is still used today makes me think she won't end up as a museum. :(
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User #4882884 - 30 Apr 20 21:09
I've learned more about US submarines from your channel than I did serving on them for 6 years (in engineering). Everything was on a "need to know" basis regardless of your clearance. I guess I didn't need to know much about our other boats. Related... I went to "prototype" training at the S8G reactor. I didn't know there was a predecessor.
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User #4130809 - 1 May 20 00:44
What's with the hump in the back?
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User #24524713 - 1 May 20 01:37
He talks about that in the article :)
R-39 Missile Program Test Schedule
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37 Tests in 4 years is extremely expensive. The failures of the R-39 program lead to the development of the R-30 Bulava that is featured in our next Sub Brief.


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User #4130809 - 21 Apr 20 15:40
Interesting. RVs (MIRVs?) are recoverable?
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jivturky - 21 Apr 20 18:31
Reentry Vehicle (Mass Shape)
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User #4130809 - 21 Apr 20 22:12
Don't they come in at like Mach 25?
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jivturky - 21 Apr 20 22:49
Yeah it's crazy fast.
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User #4130809 - 22 Apr 20 05:41
But they're recoverable/stay intact? I find that hard to believe.
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jivturky - 22 Apr 20 13:47
Found and Recovered are two very different things. We found the Barringer Crater... we didn't recover it.
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User #11656703 - 22 Apr 20 17:28
I have image of an actual recovered flown MIRV. That thing surely looks like it has gone through some hell, I can tell you.
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User #6999202 - 22 Apr 20 19:19
If you search "minuteman reentry vehicle" you can see a photo of a recovered Minuteman RV.
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User #8582403 - 21 Apr 20 14:49
This looks kinda typical for development. I would say they seem to have gotten their stuff together towards the end of the schedule. Boy, they spent some rubles on it.
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User #28923376 - 21 Apr 20 23:01
I earn my money with technical documentation. 12/28/80 is my new code for: "Hello? Development department? Important information is missing." Former code was 4-128. Guess why ;-)
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jivturky - 22 Apr 20 13:36
lol, good catch. I didn't see that right away.
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User #28923376 - 22 Apr 20 13:50
damn, i hoped you'll start your brief with "let's do something weird: read the fucking manual." :-)
The R-30 Bulava SLBM (NATO: SS-NX-32)
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This missile has new features previous SLBM's did not have. One of which is the ability to change it's target mid-flight. The 2nd and 3rd stages have maneuvering nozzles to change its ballistic trajectory. This gives the missile anti-missile defense avoidance. The first stage has a rapid fuel burn for maximum acceleration designed to avoid ballistic missile defenses like THAAD. These upgrades are the primary cause for the nearly 40% missile failure.


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User #28965198 - 20 Apr 20 17:52
Manoeuvering capability added just in case a missile inadvertently fires at port 😅
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User #4130809 - 20 Apr 20 18:45
Lessons learned camrade!
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User #24524713 - 21 Apr 20 19:49
HAHAHA!
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User #3968678 - 20 Apr 20 18:23
> 12 years of troubled tests, are these still teething problems?
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User #15370986 - 20 Apr 20 17:33
Love it, if I may critique, the fist stage may be a typo <3
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jivturky - 20 Apr 20 17:38
Good catch! Thanks.
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jivturky - 20 Apr 20 19:40
They can't seem to get the Stage 3 mobility right....so, someone is getting a bomb. It's just not the target.
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User #209469 - 20 Apr 20 22:44
But the CEP (120-350) seems comparable to western counterparts (acc to wikipedia). Maybe there is some issue with terminal guidance when ballistic missile defence systems are employed ?
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User #23693289 - 21 Apr 20 00:15
wiki might be quoting the projected CEP for when/if the weapon works?
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User #209469 - 20 Apr 20 17:52
First or last ?
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User #209469 - 20 Apr 20 17:52
Oops someone pointed this out nvm
Project 955 Borei Research Begins
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I am going deep into my Russian sources about their newest, quietest and most secret ballistic missile submarine. This is a real challenge as I have to separate the facts from the propaganda. I have some first hand knowledge of their troubled missile testing program so I will add that to the sub brief.


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User #25614619 - 20 Apr 20 16:11
Didn't realize the first one was laid down in '97 Damn those years were nighmarish, I remember we would come visit my grandparent every summer and up to 2004 it was "interesting" situation in Russia. I guess as with Yasen there will be some major differences between Yuri Dolgolukij and Aleksandr Nevskij
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User #4130809 - 18 Apr 20 16:17
We're doing a bunch of modern boats. Interesting.
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User #209469 - 18 Apr 20 13:14
* FSB Joined the Chat *
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User #8582403 - 18 Apr 20 19:13
My Russian sucks (well, is non-existant) but the image above is of two different submarines. The lower is certainly the Borei but the upper one appears to be a Delta IV, perhaps added for comparison details. Or did I see this image wrong...
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User #4130809 - 18 Apr 20 21:23
You're right. The bottom one doesn't have as much of a hump.
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jivturky - 18 Apr 20 23:33
This is exactly the type of information I sift through. I think the drawings are just for reference and not meant to be exact.
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User #11656703 - 19 Apr 20 02:49
Exactly, the image above is just a rough reference for the press releases. Quality images & drawings will come with the brief😉
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User #28923376 - 19 Apr 20 10:24
The text to the right of the first picture mentions the Yury Dolgoruky sub as mother ship/class. Concerning the representation Tupolev (?) seems to proceed constantly: https://www.naval-technology.com/projects/ssbn-yury-dolgoruky-russia/
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User #8582403 - 19 Apr 20 14:21
I would say the "public" information is intended to be misleading. This one is way obvious as its clearly a Delta IV. Tupolev may be referring to an "upgrade" to keep her active after the Typhoons were mothballed. In the US we sometimes classify "upgrades" when they are actually new aircraft...such as E-2D, AH-1Y/Z, etc.
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User #11656703 - 19 Apr 20 17:02
The upper left image is nowhere near either Borei or Delta IV or any other Russian submarine for that matter. It looks more like a drawing of a bathtub toy sub.
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User #24524713 - 18 Apr 20 15:46
Aw yeah! This is awesome! I was just thinking about this sub the other day, you reading my mind? lol :D
Yasen in Drydock
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A very clear photo of the Yasen out of the water. The control surface hydraulics are depressurized causing the stern plans to fall down to the mechanical stops. Looks like about 40 degrees.

There is a fresh water hose from a hull penetration to prevent discharge form freezing against the hull.

The purpose of the large hull penetration just forward of the planes is unknown.


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User #24524713 - 12 Apr 20 18:28
Pretty sub!
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User #7660869 - 11 Apr 20 13:54
Gorgeous
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User #4130809 - 11 Apr 20 16:14
Amazing view Jive! Can't wait for the full brief! I'm assuming we have Saturnax to thank for this?
A Test Rig for Yasen SSGN
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Here is a hydraulic press testing the strength of the lower rudder or stern plane surface area. I would not want to be in this room if it fails!

Yasen SSGN sub brief is in the Research phase. I am plowing through a lot of false 'facts' in this sub brief. I expect to have this one ready in the next 10 days. I'll post more updates between now and then.


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User #4130809 - 8 Apr 20 22:47
Excited! Take your time and make it right Skipper.
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User #7660869 - 8 Apr 20 18:27
Dig it
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User #209469 - 8 Apr 20 18:52
The press is on one side, probably for testing bending strength when rudder is full to one side ? Interesting, at first i thought it was a hydraulic shaker used for vibration testing but then the speeds at which naval vessels travel flow indiced vibration wont occur.
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User #28936265 - 8 Apr 20 18:40
You cant rush perfection, Captain. 😉 Take your time! 👍🏻
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User #23520105 - 8 Apr 20 18:46
Please take your time, it would be nice to have someplace where you can go and learn about some reliable information about a new and exciting submarine.
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User #28965198 - 8 Apr 20 18:30
Pretty good!
Yasen under construction
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User #155148 - 7 Apr 20 17:37
Hey, just a quick question about the production pipeline. Will you be doing subs like the Foxtrot or other Russian/Soviet diesel subs in the near future? I love the nuclear powered subs as much as the next guy, so no worries there, but my father was STO, ship technical officer, on a 206 and I would really like to hear about the adversaries he faced. He rarely talks about the submarine part of his military career.
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jivturky - 8 Apr 20 18:34
I plan on covering Soviet era diesel boats.
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User #4130809 - 8 Apr 20 22:50
Excited!
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User #4130809 - 8 Apr 20 22:54
BTW: Your real name appears in these comments. Don't know if you care, but thought you should know.
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jivturky - 6 Apr 20 16:26
The first time I saw how thin the submarine pressure hull skin was, I got scarred. But I had already been on a few underways by that point.
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User #155148 - 7 Apr 20 17:27
Yeah, it is kinda scary how strong steel alloy and other material alloys can be. Even when looking at known high tensile strength alloys, the pressues they can endure are pretty insane. And the around 4 degree Celsius of the ocean are comfortably in the middle of steels that are amagnetic and adjusted for brittleness. Sry for the nerd out, had a few years of material science at university, when studying Aerospace engineering.
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User #4130809 - 8 Apr 20 22:52
Felix: Don't apologize for nerding out. Interesting stuff. BTW: how has that aerospace engineering degree worked out for you? Have a cousin with the same and has struggled to gain employment with it. Its supposed to be a poor career area of engineering to enter into.
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User #4130809 - 6 Apr 20 01:20
That weld better be good! lol
Yasen's Heavy Weight 53cm Torpedo "UGST"
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Here is a clear view of the propulsion unit on the rear of the Yasen's torpedo. You can see the twin, counter rotating blades. The rear set has twice as many blades as the front set. This pushes the torpedo in a straight line (not spinning out of control) and extremely fast. 65+ knots.


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User #28965198 - 5 Apr 20 11:34
Do the blade have some form of coating on their outer half? They seem darker.
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jivturky - 5 Apr 20 11:49
Yes, I expect those are to protect it and will be removed before launch.
Patron's Most Requested Submarine!  Yasen SSGN
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I am working on your most requested Sub Brief. The Severodvinsk-Class SSGN "Yasen" Project 885. This is a new construction Russian submarine and I am using all my sources to dig through the fiction and facts about this highly classified vessel.

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User #8582403 - 2 Apr 20 18:26
Good luck on this one Jive. I suspect you'll have a few more "folks" looking at your outcome...
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jivturky - 2 Apr 20 20:25
KGB will by our next Division Officer here!
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User #13251660 - 2 Apr 20 17:04
I'm surprised this is the most requested one. i definite;ly would have guessed something from some of HI Sutton's archives, especially anything that carries a mini-sub. I know next to nothing about how Russia handles their equivalent of the Navy's Mystic and Avalon (now SDV and other sneak-craft).
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User #6742665 - 2 Apr 20 16:59
Curious to see how much can actually be scraped together on a newer class of sub
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User #209469 - 2 Apr 20 17:03
This is going to be fun !
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User #24524713 - 3 Apr 20 21:01
Oh boy! This is going to be really fun. :D
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User #4708370 - 2 Apr 20 17:28
Hey Jive, you misspelled "Oberon" :P I actually work with a guy who served on the Royal Navy O boats back in the day. I think I'd have had a few interesting stories if he hadn't been put on Furlough due to this damned pandemic! This'll be a fun vid, I think.
X-ray/Paltus Mini Sub
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This is the Special Mission Sub that would dock with KS-86 Project 675N. Something I lost in the translation of my Echo II Sub Brief is this is not for Special Forces as much as this is for deep diving special missions.

The Paltus would be carried off the coast to Norway and they would locate sub-oceanic communications cable and plant charges on them. Practice cutting them. Or move them. In 1995, I watched a Yankee-class SSBN (Modified) do this for about 6 weeks. Very boring for us, but we had to keep an eye (ear) on them.


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User #4130809 - 2 Apr 20 18:33
I believe you said in the Briefing it was battery powered?
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jivturky - 3 Apr 20 12:41
I think it has a small nuclear reactor powering it.
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User #13251660 - 2 Apr 20 17:07
One man's "boring" is another man's "HOLY BALLS that's fascinating, what the hell were they doing? Did you get footage of it? Can I have any of it? Can you tell me more stories about it?" (and 12000 other questions....) :)
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User #7660869 - 1 Apr 20 12:11
Oh those Pesky Russians
Project 675 Echo II SSGN Sub Brief
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A detailed summary of Project 675 Echo II SSGN.


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User #7930963 - 1 Apr 20 01:26
Aye, Razboynik Bay (Robber/Bandit/similar Bay) is a big storage facility for nuclear reactors. Apparently they get stored for up to 70 years until safe for dismantling. Decided to do a litte extra reading after your video.
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User #4130809 - 2 Apr 20 15:52
USS Tautog: the only American submarine return to port with twice as many propellers as she set out with. Admittedly spares are a good idea, but I don't think that was what was intended here.
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User #28965198 - 1 Apr 20 08:55
1min 47s?! That can't be... wait a... 1 hour 47 of content *blown away* Thank you very much Jive !
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User #4130809 - 2 Apr 20 05:00
"6 out of 8 to actually work" which means what exactly? only 6 out of 8 will fire and leave the launch tube? 6 out of 8 will reach the target (i.e. guidance, autopilot, radars and data links will work)? 6 out of 8 will achieve a hit?
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User #28820748 - 6 Apr 20 13:59
Amazing amount of research and detail here, looking forward to the next one!
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User #4130809 - 2 Apr 20 01:12
6:00 Are you saying the sub received radar data from the first salvo of missiles which it would use to direct the following salvo?
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User #4130809 - 2 Apr 20 15:37
Not to be critical Jive but I heard quite a few errors in your reading of the script of the "1963 (really 1973)" variety. You need to slow down and read the script more carefully. Record the audio in short segments instead of all at once and proof-listen to yourself on each one. These are the kind of errors that come of fatigue from long periods of work of researching and reading the materials. We all deeply appreciate what you do but especially for the audio-only version which you can't spot the error from the visual materials that could prove a problem if these are being made "for the record" (which I hope they are as they are very good) rather just disposable entertainment.
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User #4130809 - 2 Apr 20 04:47
Given all the mechanical problems the russians have had with their subs vs. what I'll assume is the rate for US subs; is this the result of inadequate quality standards when building? Do they not have enough back-up systems onboard? Are the crews inadequately trained? Or do they just run them so recklessly hard they break their own equipment a lot and don't care?
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User #11656703 - 2 Apr 20 07:11
All those problems can be traced back to poor quality checks during production. These issues continued for some years even after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. I wouldn't blame the crews or the training, it was the poorly manufactured equipment that failed in majority of the cases.
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User #6999202 - 3 Apr 20 01:37
It seems like it was all of those things, sometimes singly and sometimes in combinations. There were collisions due to equipment failures and mistakes by crew and officers, maintenance accidents, cracked reactor casings. It would seem that the issue was systemic...that the Soviet system was not capable of running a submarine fleet with anything resembling safety.
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User #9720550 - 2 Apr 20 17:22
Wait.. they MELTED their turbines? I smells something fishy here... Water steam does not melt steel turbines...
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User #4130809 - 2 Apr 20 18:34
IKR?
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User #23372707 - 4 Apr 20 14:47
If you over-rev a turbine I can think of few outcomes - the turbine disk might shatter, turbine blades might get ripped out, bearings might overheat and plasticity deform or the shaft at the bearing might deform from the heat generated by overloaded bearings. I do not think the steam would melt the turbine, the heat generated by the mechanism perhaps could. It's possible for whoever wrote the report to write it in shorthand fashion.
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User #9720550 - 4 Apr 20 18:09
Yes I believe it's a translation issue. Maybe melted the bearings or just overheated and deformed. You don't need much fast heating or vibration in turbines to go out of the clearances, have contact and the whole thing just blows up like a shrapnel bomb.
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User #4130809 - 2 Apr 20 01:06
Hotel next please! Can we get all these related boats together?
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User #24524713 - 3 Apr 20 20:58
Awesome brief Jive! That safety record, holy crap, more like failure record. Remind me to run if I ever see a echo submarine.
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User #23520105 - 4 Apr 20 02:23
What was a SSGN doing trailing an SSBN? What a strange twist of fate.
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User #25114071 - 5 Apr 20 00:26
Nice work Jive. I can’t help but think of those poor crews.
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User #4130809 - 2 Apr 20 14:32
58:00 Murphy assures you it was indeed the same reef.
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User #7930963 - 31 Mar 20 23:35
Ooooh! This is a long one! Thanks for your efforts!
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